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let us raise the debt ceiling. no strings attached. and if the president can raise it as he should be able to and if congress wants to reject it 2/3. the mcconnell proposal is a good republican proposal. i hope you support it. that's the way to go. >> let me ask you a question a bill that says regardless of what happens with the debt ceiling that the united states will never default on the debt, would you support that or not? >> i support the concept. i'd have to look at the bill. the best way to do that is the mcconnell act. >> we may have just made news. >>> last week, general colin powell was here worried about a dark vein of intolerance in republican quarters. you are part of a stream of new faces in the republican party, minority faces and voices in the party that seem to stand against that. how did you respond to it? >> well, i saw that interview. i respect general powell a great deal. i was disappointed with those comments. i think he was buying into some of the partisan attacks. if you look at this last election, for example, i
let us raise the debt ceiling. no strings attached. and if the president can raise it as he should be able to and if congress wants to reject it 2/3. the mcconnell proposal is a good republican proposal. i hope you support it. that's the way to go. >> let me ask you a question a bill that says regardless of what happens with the debt ceiling that the united states will never default on the debt, would you support that or not? >> i support the concept. i'd have to look at the bill....
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if you watch what happened on the fiscal cliff, if you watch the way he is handling the debt ceiling, i think he understands that he has a lot of high cards he is going to play those, and the republicans are in some disarray here. tom cole in the house leadership say half the republicans voted against the fiscal cliff deal secretly hoped it passed. we've entered a new kind of framework. guns are a different story. it's going to be tough, maybe impossible to pass all the different stuff the president proposed, and some like the background checks, 90% of americans are for them. nra numbers are for them. one really big thing is happening. the old line that this is about conphysician cat iing people's guns taking guns away from hunters has been opposed because this has been too vivid a tragedy, and the president has been so swift and so clear. >> and anybody who goes back and looks at the heller case, the d.c. gun case, knows that the supreme court has made it very clear this is want about confiscating your guns, but some restrictions on military weapons are quite legal and constitutional
if you watch what happened on the fiscal cliff, if you watch the way he is handling the debt ceiling, i think he understands that he has a lot of high cards he is going to play those, and the republicans are in some disarray here. tom cole in the house leadership say half the republicans voted against the fiscal cliff deal secretly hoped it passed. we've entered a new kind of framework. guns are a different story. it's going to be tough, maybe impossible to pass all the different stuff the...
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of course, that means another debt ceiling debate is just three months away. joining us now, bill cohen, a columnist at bloomberg view and by phone we have nbc's luke russert in williamsburg, virginia, covering the house republicans. welcome to both of you. >> thank you, karen. >> luke, i want to start with you. republicans are calling it a plan, democratic leader nancy pelosi call it is a gimmick. it sounds more like -- i mean, my read initially was this is more like political posturing rather than a serious deal. what are you hearing down there? >> well, it certainly is something that's meant to try and force the senate to act. you know, the senate has not passed a suggest in over 1,300 days and that's a popular rallying cry of the house gop. but what came out of this retreat was the idea instilled in members that it's probably not beneficial with the republican brand so damaged nationally to have a real standoff over the debt limit. this is a way they're trying to get passed that, a three-month extension. they're not demanding any cuts. all they're demandin
of course, that means another debt ceiling debate is just three months away. joining us now, bill cohen, a columnist at bloomberg view and by phone we have nbc's luke russert in williamsburg, virginia, covering the house republicans. welcome to both of you. >> thank you, karen. >> luke, i want to start with you. republicans are calling it a plan, democratic leader nancy pelosi call it is a gimmick. it sounds more like -- i mean, my read initially was this is more like political...
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there's this one over the debt ceiling. there's a continuing resolution to actually fund the government. then there's sequestration. yesterday politico reporting that house gop members are gearing up for a fight over the debt ceiling, but now you have people like newt gingrich, choice of reason in the wilderness. let's play the sound. he is advocating for them not to fight over this. >> it's a threat they can't sustain. no one is going to default. no one is going to allow the united states to not pay its bills. they have much better news to fight over spending. they have a continuing resolution that funds government, which comes up at the end of march, and they have this sequester that automatically cuts spending. >> gingrich isn't saying lay down your arms, but he is saying there are better battles ahead. >> he is saying you're going to lose this debt fight because -- he has said previously that the entire global world of finance is going to come into washington the week before the debt ceiling is hit and they're going to
there's this one over the debt ceiling. there's a continuing resolution to actually fund the government. then there's sequestration. yesterday politico reporting that house gop members are gearing up for a fight over the debt ceiling, but now you have people like newt gingrich, choice of reason in the wilderness. let's play the sound. he is advocating for them not to fight over this. >> it's a threat they can't sustain. no one is going to default. no one is going to allow the united...
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no debt ceiling. one of those congressmen will join me on the other side of this break. >> congress is more removed from this issue than mayors are. congress people don't get called in the middle of the night when a police officer has been shot. mayors do. >> one of those mayors, l.a.'s antonio villaraigosa coming up in the next hour. keep it here. this is msnbc, the place for politics and cool music picked out by producers in new york city. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record scratch ] what?! it's not bad for you. it just tastes that way. [ female announcer ] honey nut cheerios cereal -- heart-healthy, whole grain oats. you can't go wrong loving it. plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+. ♪ doing it with a cold, just not going to happen. vicks dayquil -- powerful non-drowsy 6-symptom cold & flu relief. ♪ no matter what city you're playing t
no debt ceiling. one of those congressmen will join me on the other side of this break. >> congress is more removed from this issue than mayors are. congress people don't get called in the middle of the night when a police officer has been shot. mayors do. >> one of those mayors, l.a.'s antonio villaraigosa coming up in the next hour. keep it here. this is msnbc, the place for politics and cool music picked out by producers in new york city. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record...
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on the debt ceiling. not again. and today after months of insisting that the president really did have to negotiate with them on that, republicans in congress gave up. david corn "showdown," the stand off the president faced with republicans. david, thanks for being here. >> good evening, rachel. >> eric cantor says, yeah, we're going to give up, but only for three months. what did you make of that? >> i'm the last guy who wants to cause a spike in the vix, but, you know, there are a couple of things to think about here. i call this plan r for run away. but we know that john boehner often has had trouble with his various plans. plan b most notoriously, getting them approved, accepted and passed by his own house republicans. and cantor made a very declarative statement today. we're going to bring this to a vote, and when you do that, usually you think you have the votes, but immediately there were grumblings that some house republicans will go along with this i'm not sure that democrats will, too. so it remains to be
on the debt ceiling. not again. and today after months of insisting that the president really did have to negotiate with them on that, republicans in congress gave up. david corn "showdown," the stand off the president faced with republicans. david, thanks for being here. >> good evening, rachel. >> eric cantor says, yeah, we're going to give up, but only for three months. what did you make of that? >> i'm the last guy who wants to cause a spike in the vix, but, you...
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battle when the debt ceiling rolls around. >> our opportunity here is on the debt ceiling. this is where we have leverage. >> remember that the gop vowing to hold the country hostage for cuts? they had the leverage, getting ready to fight. speaker boehner even tried his hand at extortion saying, "there's a price for everything." but, now, here comes the cave. today, republicans in the house voted to suspend the debt ceiling. what about the hostage-taking? not this time. and remember all the usual bluster in those press conferences of theirs? today, the gop leaders ducked the press. only a few print reporters, boehner's camera man and a lone fox news camera were there to capture their comments in their entirety. huh? so why the sudden change? >> the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> they will not collect our ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. what i will not do is to have that negotiation with the american people. we're not going do do that. >> they're not going to do that.
battle when the debt ceiling rolls around. >> our opportunity here is on the debt ceiling. this is where we have leverage. >> remember that the gop vowing to hold the country hostage for cuts? they had the leverage, getting ready to fight. speaker boehner even tried his hand at extortion saying, "there's a price for everything." but, now, here comes the cave. today, republicans in the house voted to suspend the debt ceiling. what about the hostage-taking? not this time....
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the republicans have at least begun to back off on the debt ceiling fight. you note that sandy aid passed even though it only got 46 republican votes in the house. it seems to me this strategy of laying out what you want and then negotiating is better than trying to figure out what the other side wants. >> chairman steel, there's been some discussion as to whether this was even, many of the, that progressive of a speech, but the reaction from conservative outlets -- >> oh, baby, it was. >> i have been waiting for the real barack obama to show up, and i don't mean that as a criticism. i mean that honestly. knowing him as i have come to know him over the years, going back to when he first came to washington as a senator, that's the guy that i as chairman was prepared to do battle against and framed my chairmanship and even wrote a book about how to defeat this agenda, this very progressive agenda for conservatives to wake up coming out of the slumps of 2006 and 2008. >> can i say one thing, though, and ezra, i would like to get your thoughts on this. i thought
the republicans have at least begun to back off on the debt ceiling fight. you note that sandy aid passed even though it only got 46 republican votes in the house. it seems to me this strategy of laying out what you want and then negotiating is better than trying to figure out what the other side wants. >> chairman steel, there's been some discussion as to whether this was even, many of the, that progressive of a speech, but the reaction from conservative outlets -- >> oh, baby, it...
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the debt ceiling is not there now? >> even if you don't want to listen to the president, like, listen to fitch and moodies and all the rating agencies who say this is not an economic issue. this is a political crisis that the united states is going through right now. and the thing about this, rev, is that this is a policy without a constituency. who backs this? who backs the idea to say basically, we're going to spend and spend and spend. and when the bills come up, we're not going to debate how we're going to spend in the future. if you want to have a larger conversation about spending, then we can have a larger conversation about spending. the moment we confuse them is when we start damaging the long term prospects of where this country can be economically. >> but nia, in fairness, there have been, at least in this area, some prominent republicans that are starting to point out that this is a little too far up here. senator murkowski says if you incur an obligation, you have the responsibility to pay for that. and th
the debt ceiling is not there now? >> even if you don't want to listen to the president, like, listen to fitch and moodies and all the rating agencies who say this is not an economic issue. this is a political crisis that the united states is going through right now. and the thing about this, rev, is that this is a policy without a constituency. who backs this? who backs the idea to say basically, we're going to spend and spend and spend. and when the bills come up, we're not going to...
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raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. but to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills is irresponsible. it is absurd. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they had better choose quickly because time is running short. >> house republicans continued to threaten to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip. house republican conference chairwoman kathy rogers told "political" i think it is possible we would shut down the government to make sure that president obama understands that we're serious. well, i guess that would do it. we always talk
raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. but to even entertain the idea of this happening, of...
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there's a new debt ceiling plan from speaker john boehner and the house republicans that could force senate democrats to finally show their hand and pass a budget. plus it's only day four of president obama's second term, but joe biden is already commenting on possibly running for the top job himself in 2016. we'll show you what he said in a minute. first the new developments in the debate over guns in america. the national rifle association last night delivered a sharp response to president obama's inaugural address. speaking in reno, nevada, way waywayn wayne lapierre lashed out at one word from president obama. >> we cannot mistake absolutism, or treat name calling as reasoned debate. >> obama wants to turn the idea of absolutism into a dirty word, just another word for extremism. he wants you, all of you, and americans throughout all of this country, to accept the idea of principles as he sees fit. it's a way of redefining words so that commonsense is turned upside down and that nobody knows the difference. >> lapierre vowed not to give ground on gun control including efforts to
there's a new debt ceiling plan from speaker john boehner and the house republicans that could force senate democrats to finally show their hand and pass a budget. plus it's only day four of president obama's second term, but joe biden is already commenting on possibly running for the top job himself in 2016. we'll show you what he said in a minute. first the new developments in the debate over guns in america. the national rifle association last night delivered a sharp response to president...
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. >> stop using the debt ceiling. you'll have a continuing resolution that runs out two weeks afterwards. why risk. in fact, if this is the rhetorical debate you want to have -- >> the problem with the republican party we get into this incrementalism where we assume we can win and keep putting off the debate. let's have a debate about whether or not we should balance our budget. >> a continuing resolution will be passed. the debt ceiling will be raised, right. >> i agree. the debt limit should be raised. >> should be raised with spending cuts and policy changes. >> why. >> so we can put our nation on a path to balance. >> why not have the fight on resolution. you're talking about future spending and not threatening the full faith and credit of the u.s. government. >> nobody is threatening the full faith and credit. >> it undermines your argument to have it during the debt ceiling debate. >> we can have this debate right now. we need it for the next month and come together a month from now and figure out where we stand
. >> stop using the debt ceiling. you'll have a continuing resolution that runs out two weeks afterwards. why risk. in fact, if this is the rhetorical debate you want to have -- >> the problem with the republican party we get into this incrementalism where we assume we can win and keep putting off the debate. let's have a debate about whether or not we should balance our budget. >> a continuing resolution will be passed. the debt ceiling will be raised, right. >> i...
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we know we have got more on the debt ceiling, we know that republicans are already losing on that. so we have got to be very careful on that. the president knows that and that's part of the strategy of going directly to northwestern people. >> let's take a look at a new cnn time orc poll that talks about that stricter gun control laws and what the temperature is. 55% favor districter gun control laws. and then if we look back just a little bit further to "the washington post," abc poll, they talk about armed guards in schools. this is where the dichotomy in school -- the poll shows that 55% support having armed guards in school whereas 52% oppose that. and karen, i want to start with you on this one. because for the people on the left who are proud to say they support second amendment rights, we look at that contrast there where people want to see districter gun control laws, but they also think that there is a legitimate discussion to be had about having armed guards at school. >> we haven't had that discussion. remember the -- thomas -- when you talk about having armed guards, yo
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. >> and also the question of the debt ceiling, which, you know, apparently is going tok extended. but, chuck, as long as those things are looming on the horizon, this president cannot fully pursue his own agenda. he's got to sort of address the immediate spending, the immediate fiscal issues that are facing the country right now. >> tom cole, this is obviously going to be the first showdown, this issue of spending and the debt and how it gets solved will determine what else could get done. i think with that probably there would be universal agreement. what do you want to hear from him tomorrow as a republican, as a -- i mean, what do you think is the right message for him? >> well, i think he needs to honestly transcend what he's done thus far. look, he's a very significant person in american history already not just because he's the first african-american. he's got some big wins -- health care, stimulus, dodd/frank. but all of those things have been done essentially with nothing but democratic support. you're not going to have that the second term. he comes in actually as a secon
. >> and also the question of the debt ceiling, which, you know, apparently is going tok extended. but, chuck, as long as those things are looming on the horizon, this president cannot fully pursue his own agenda. he's got to sort of address the immediate spending, the immediate fiscal issues that are facing the country right now. >> tom cole, this is obviously going to be the first showdown, this issue of spending and the debt and how it gets solved will determine what else could...
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rather than raise the debt ceiling, the bill temporarily suspends it. meaning a vote will be held at some future point to determine whether to pay off the debt retroactively. secondly, this is a larger scheme to move the battle over the deficit and spending to a place where the republicans feel they have more leverage. the gop hashed plans for a republican revolution. politico report s speaker john boehner, using paul ryan as his salesman, urged his members to make their stand on the budget and sequesters. jake sherman writes, in roughly 48 hours, the republicans went from defense to offense and retreated to the debt ceiling must be matched by spending cuts. it was the swiftest and most drastic position switch in boehner's speakership. it was not lost on kevin mccarthy who said, "what they'll say after that vote, this is the day of the comeback." maybe if comeback also conotes fractious and uncertain strategy. with no democratic support, the way could go the way of boehner's plan b if just seven republicans break rank. and they still have to contend wit
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is it a de-escalation of the debt ceiling fight? >> they're trying to force the arm of the senate in this way, because they want the sflat to move and pass a budget. so this gives them more leverage and there are new polling out that say some people are kind of behind this republican tack of trying to push the senate to pass a budget. they want, people want reduction in spending. this might work for them. the white house is saying they're encouraged by this. i don't know. it could fall under the kick the can down the road for obama. >> i wonder with you, lauren. does this allow them to kick the can downed road or give them more time to come to a long-term asgreemt do up see the rest of the budget playing out any certain way now? >> alex, we have to look back to 2011 when we had the fight back then, which propelled us into the fiscal cliff. he ended up kicking the can down the road and i think that's what we'll see again here. we have to remember, two other major fiscal deadlines. xwet trags, automatic budget cuts coming up first wee
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. >>> just a few hours ago paul ryan claimed to have the solution to our debt ceiling impasse. he calls it a short-term debt limit extension. you may know it better as kicking the can down the road. which reminds me, there was someone just a few months ago who was famously against that kind of a deal. who was it? >> kick the can. kick the can. kick the can. >> right, of course. that's who it was. joining us is jonathan alter and jared bernstein. welcome to you both. john, we've seen speaker boehner's power getting weaker and weaker. is paul ryan now the de facto head of the gop? >> well, you know, actually, martin, i think he has been much more influential than people realize -- >> because he's been quite quiet publicly. >> going back to 2011. he has so much respect within that republican caucus. he's the guy who killed simpson/bowl simpson/bowles. he was on the simpson/bowles commission and wasn't willing to have any revenue increases. his fingerprints were not on it. and then when it came to the grand bargain, he told john boehner wait until the election. don't do this deal.
. >>> just a few hours ago paul ryan claimed to have the solution to our debt ceiling impasse. he calls it a short-term debt limit extension. you may know it better as kicking the can down the road. which reminds me, there was someone just a few months ago who was famously against that kind of a deal. who was it? >> kick the can. kick the can. kick the can. >> right, of course. that's who it was. joining us is jonathan alter and jared bernstein. welcome to you both. john,...
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triple-a-rated give the debt ceiling is not raised. with more of possible economic fallout, moody's chief economist. all right. if they do this, what happens to the economy, the stock market? >> well, i would think that financial markets have had enough warning of a possible downgrade of the u.s. aaa credit rating by an agency other than s&p, and thus perhaps it would not have that damaging impact. the downgrade was not especially g. that being said there will be a negative psychological shock that will temporarily send share prices sharply lower, but provided that policymakers in washington could reassure markets that washington is going to do more to stabilize the budget. maybe that -- gerri: it makes into the pipe. they did it -- did not to say there are going to downgraded if we did not like the debt ceiling prices go away. they also said the current outlook is likely to be resolved even if another debt ceiling crisis is averted. they want to see spending cut. now, do you think that the markets would go to town if there was some bi
triple-a-rated give the debt ceiling is not raised. with more of possible economic fallout, moody's chief economist. all right. if they do this, what happens to the economy, the stock market? >> well, i would think that financial markets have had enough warning of a possible downgrade of the u.s. aaa credit rating by an agency other than s&p, and thus perhaps it would not have that damaging impact. the downgrade was not especially g. that being said there will be a negative...
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>> yes, but it's not just about the debt ceiling. this is one of the reasons the inauguration comes at such a dreary times. we just had this boring fight. >> i thought it was exciting . >> that's not exciting lemplet -- that's not exciting. >> he clearly has a different idea of exciting. >> there was a fight about the sequester and the regular roll budget. the debt ceiling is one where real ugly consequences were likely to happen. an they were likely to get blamed. they want to move that to the last of fights. . it's still going to be the same fight over how do you distribute resources in the time of scarcity? >> president obama stared them down on this. he said i'm not going to negotiate. a i'm not going -- this is a separate thing unnegotiateable. they said we're decoupling it from the immediate to other showdowns coming up. >> yeah, and here's the one opportunity, i think the republicans want to say, ok, the fight has been internal for republicans. fine, democrats. let's see what you do on entitlement. let's go. you keep putting i
>> yes, but it's not just about the debt ceiling. this is one of the reasons the inauguration comes at such a dreary times. we just had this boring fight. >> i thought it was exciting . >> that's not exciting lemplet -- that's not exciting. >> he clearly has a different idea of exciting. >> there was a fight about the sequester and the regular roll budget. the debt ceiling is one where real ugly consequences were likely to happen. an they were likely to get blamed....
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it would be great to control the debt with the debt ceiling. as you see through history, examples given it doesn't work at all. it becomes a political football, the other party not it in power, decides it's an of important thing. and president obama used to hate the debt ceilings. it's time to build something that controls the deficit properly and not arbitrary. >> brenda: toby, doesn't this basically give a blank check to washington saying we don't need a limit. at least when we have a limit we're forced to look at that number and realize how much we're borrowing. >> if that logic were true, they wouldn't have passed any of the spending stuff. first off, two countries in the world, united states and sweden who have a debt ceiling. people got rid of it, because what jonas is saying, it's political. and the second issue is, i don't want our economy held hostage and run by washington, right now, the buffoons in congress have more power over the economy with the, you know, stupid idea. if we give them this type of power we've hurt ourselves, kick
it would be great to control the debt with the debt ceiling. as you see through history, examples given it doesn't work at all. it becomes a political football, the other party not it in power, decides it's an of important thing. and president obama used to hate the debt ceilings. it's time to build something that controls the deficit properly and not arbitrary. >> brenda: toby, doesn't this basically give a blank check to washington saying we don't need a limit. at least when we have a...
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he says he won't negotiate on the debt ceiling. all sorts of politicos and savants are talking about a government shutdown. in tonight's "chalk talk", we tell you the truth. and we will call him some trouble waters. plus new warnings about a downgrade of the u.s. debt. a familiar tune with the voice of doom. will the markets take them seriously this time citigroup's global head joins us with the answer the boys use capital one venture miles for their annual football trip. that's double miles you can actually use. tragically, their ddy got sacked by blackouts. but it's our tradition! that's roughing the card holder. but with the capital one venture card you get double miles you can actually use. [ cheering ] any flight, anytime. the scoreboard doesn't lie. what's in your wallet? hut! i have me on my fantasy team. at legalzoom, we've created a better place to handle your legal needs. maybe you have questions about incorporating a business you'd like to start. or questions about protecting your family with a will or living trust. and
he says he won't negotiate on the debt ceiling. all sorts of politicos and savants are talking about a government shutdown. in tonight's "chalk talk", we tell you the truth. and we will call him some trouble waters. plus new warnings about a downgrade of the u.s. debt. a familiar tune with the voice of doom. will the markets take them seriously this time citigroup's global head joins us with the answer the boys use capital one venture miles for their annual football trip. that's...